UK vs UGA: Game Thread

[Jeff Craddock]

[QUOTE=Los Gatos;n306212]

Yes, I was in Memorial the night he sprung it on Tennessee. http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Sta...Tennessee.html

Check out the minutes played by the starters in the box score. I've never seen anything close to that.

I was there, too! Amazing box, given that Rupp said he used the zone because there was some bronchitis on the team.

[Los Gatos]

[QUOTE=Jeff Craddock;n306177]

Since Cal won't play a zone, maybe he would try a stratified transitional hyperbolic paraboloid defense?

Worked for Rupp….easily as zone-phobic as Cal. Basically a 1-3-1, with Tommy Kron at the point.

Yes, I was in Memorial the night he sprung it on Tennessee. http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Sta...Tennessee.html

Check out the minutes played by the starters in the box score. I've never seen anything close to that.

[Jeff Craddock]

Holy cow it's Jeff Craddock.

’Tis me….bowed but not broken by a nasty case of Covid. Tuesday night was a perfect tonic…now hoping Saturday is just as good. I love this site, easily the best Kentucky board. Over the years, it has aged well and provides the best insights. I rarely have much to add, but if I do….

[Dwight Schrute]

Holy cow it's Jeff Craddock.

[Jeff Craddock]

[QUOTE=Los Gatos;n306088]Since Cal won't play a zone, maybe he would try a stratified transitional hyperbolic paraboloid defense?

Worked for Rupp….easily as zone-phobic as Cal. Basically a 1-3-1, with Tommy Kron at the point.

[Lighthouse]

I will ask again WHY do we need a monitor. The game was great fir 100 years without it. Someone explain to me how it has " enhanced" the sport.

I retired from officiating before the monitor and I'm so glad. Officials today "lean" on that thing and it's a nuisance. I had to make split second decisions and then stand strong with my calls. Sure we made mistakes, and every now and then a mistake is corrected, but I believe the monitor and several other changes the NCAA has made, is ruing our great game.

[justford]

I will ask again WHY do we need a monitor. The game was great fir 100 years without it. Someone explain to me how it has " enhanced" the sport.

Well we might have, could have, should have another championship in 2015 if reviews were allowed. That being said, I can see advantages and disadvantages to it.

[Jload]

I will ask again WHY do we need a monitor. The game was great fir 100 years without it. Someone explain to me how it has " enhanced" the sport.

[Lighthouse]

Not sure when it happened but it was just prior to them scoring on a out of bounds play with one second on the clock. The replay showed 4 or 5 seconds on the shot clock when Oscar blocked the shot. The clock reset and a few seconds of real time expired before the whistle was blown stopping play. After going to the monitor the clock was set with 1 second on it. I believe it should have been a shot clock violation because more than 4 or 5 seconds lapsed prior to the stoppage. No big deal but I was just curious about the official’s options in that situation. Thanks

I remember the play and had no problem with their decision. What they saw on the monitor is all they had to decide how much time to put back on the clock. It really makes no difference how much time we thought passed because no official was counting anything on that play. It was a guess based on what they saw on the monitor.

[justford]

Not sure what you're asking here. There is no official counting during the play. Please remind me when this happened in the game and I will watch the film and see if there's anything I can see that's not legal.

Not sure when it happened but it was just prior to them scoring on a out of bounds play with one second on the clock. The replay showed 4 or 5 seconds on the shot clock when Oscar blocked the shot. The clock reset and a few seconds of real time expired before the whistle was blown stopping play. After going to the monitor the clock was set with 1 second on it. I believe it should have been a shot clock violation because more than 4 or 5 seconds lapsed prior to the stoppage. No big deal but I was just curious about the official’s options in that situation. Thanks

[Lighthouse]

Maybe Lighthouse can answer this. The play that UG scored under the basket with 1 second left (which Toppin fell asleep on) should that not have been a shot clock violation? Someone on another board said they timed it and from the time it reset until the official blew the whistle was 5 seconds.
Opinions on this??

Not sure what you're asking here. There is no official counting during the play. Please remind me when this happened in the game and I will watch the film and see if there's anything I can see that's not legal.

[Lighthouse]

Got into a nice discussion with a good friend who's a former basketball coach about the shot clock thing last night and it turned quite philosophical. My opinion was it should have been a play-on. With 10ish minutes left in the game (plenty of possessions to respond), I don't think the stoppage was the best thing for either team or the fans watching the game. Just for a handful of seconds. Also, I was already saying this in the group message thread before it ended up biting us. Fwiw.

I have a hard time explaining why exactly I feel that way, but no matter what arguments I hear from the "other side", I just don't budge. I'm open to it, though.

When a timing mistake happens with either clock, by rule the game is stopped and the mistake is corrected. If the officials don't see in or for some reason they ignore it, they're evaluation would not be pretty.

[Will Lavender]

I fully agree about the broken flow in basketball. This is my whole problem with reviews.

Reviews in football fit seamlessly into the game. The sport already has breaks.

Basketball is much different. This is the main reason I detest "the monitor." It's awful.

I perversely like human error in basketball (although it did possibly steal the Wisconsin game away from us, but whatever).

However this was a clock operator error, not an official error. I think clock situations and coach challenges (give 'em two per game or whatever) are the only times the game should be stopped and (*cue Vader theme*) the stupid monitor should be used, ever.

[Jody Porter]

Wait, what? I don't quite understand. The shot clock reset when it shouldn't have. That's a stoppage every time.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here.

Oh no, you're exactly right, I'm totally in the wrong here as far as rules go. My take is more from a philosophical perspective: in a situation like that, I'd PREFER if they just said "whoops, human error" and let it play out naturally, as opposed to stopping the game to get it right. Sounds stupid when I word it like that, but "if the shoe fits", as they say (me...if the shoe fits me)

In baseball I like reviews. The game is slower, there are a lot of breaks built in to it already, the reviews don't feel intrusive at all. In basketball, I'd rather see the players play and not interrupt the flow for something that ultimately isn't going to have an effect on the outcome. (And that's the sticking point my friend has with it: all possessions matter, he says. And again. He's right. I believe ultimately the two teams, by playing on, would have achieved roughly the same benefit/cost, but in a much more entertaining fashion.)

I also think there are too many timeouts and way too many commercials. End-of-games take way too long. I've become a huge fan of soccer the last two years, I think because of my philosophy on this: I like action and I like for it to be uninterrupted. And I like getting through the entire half without a single commercial.

I'm an old man, basically, and I'm yelling at a capitalist cloud.

[matt colvin]

Oscar Tshiebwe had 72 points and 90 rebounds in a Division 4 game last night. I read it on John Scotts.

I fully expect them to incorporate Huggs' obit into the article section for this game. Give it a few years.

OT: easily the most impressive unofficial sports page / information source / set 'O annals in the world of sports. I love that low tech, 1999, rabbit hole of UK basketball knowledge. I often tell people outside of Kentucky that UK fans are so about the program and the sport that Jon Scott's site has more information listed indirectly about their program than their own university / fan site.

That's not hyperbole, either.