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  • Will Lavender
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    Greg Brown will visit Kentucky on January 10th.

    Huge target. Clarke, Boston, and Brown would be on par probably with the Monk, Bam, and Fox class.

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  • Will Lavender
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    Corey Evans says UK is in the driver's seat for Terrence Clarke. Also says that Cunningham and Jalen Green are probably both out, which leaves Devin Askew as the likeliest guard to sign with the Cats.

    In the frontcourt he's got Isaiah Jackson, Lance Ware, and a couple others to keep an eye on.

    https://basketballrecruiting.rivals....r-tuesday--390

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  • 85 Fly
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    I'm hopeful for Cade, but I'm not going to get too caught up on the possibility of him coming because of his brother being on OSU staff.

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  • lilproUK98
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    Originally posted by Will Lavender View Post
    A lot of buzz about Terrence Clarke being a hard Kentucky lean all of a sudden. He's in the class of 2021 but is rumored to be a reclassify to 2020.

    Would be the biggest UK commitment in years if it pans out.
    He set a commitment date of September 14th today and has UK in his final 6, and has 100% of crystal ball predictions to UK. It's looking good.

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  • Will Lavender
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    Looks like Kentucky is going to get Cade Cunningham to Big Blue Madness.

    UK hasn't had a great track record with BBM attendees since...well, in many years. But it's still a positive development. Cunningham would be one of the two or three best players to sign with UK in the Cal era--though I put the chances of that happening pretty close to 5%.

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  • Will Lavender
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    A lot of buzz about Terrence Clarke being a hard Kentucky lean all of a sudden. He's in the class of 2021 but is rumored to be a reclassify to 2020.

    Would be the biggest UK commitment in years if it pans out.

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  • Dwight Schrute
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    I think if everyone's cheating, no one is. I think if the NCAA tries to come down on this with any seriousness, you'll see the break away that John Calipari has predicted basically ever since he's been at Kentucky.

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  • Will Lavender
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    Originally posted by J.Jennings View Post

    It is a dirty business. If players did receive benefits, i think it came through celebrities and friends, not UK itself....
    It looks like the central hub of dirtiness is the grassroots organizations.

    Apparently what's been happening over the last 10 or 15 years (maybe longer) is that the universities sent in their people to try and put in bids to the EYBL, adidas, and I imagine Under Armor. Highest bidder gets the player.

    They've been using grassroots basketball as a kind of laundering service. I'll almost guarantee Kentucky has been part of that, and it likely didn't start with John Calipari. I also think, as Catsrock says, the way they've always handled this is to tell themselves the players deserve a lot of the cut, so the only way the cut can be given is under the table.

    And they would be right about that. The question becomes how much stock do you put into amateurism, and do you believe these programs should be punished for exploiting grassroots basketball. That's the part I'm torn on, though I do believe that at this point if you want to punish anybody you're going to have to punish everybody--because they were all doing it.

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  • Catsrock
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    Originally posted by J.Jennings View Post

    It is a dirty business. If players did receive benefits, i think it came through celebrities and friends, not UK itself....
    It is a filthy business for sure. But kind of a devils advocaete point of view is its dirty in large part due to the NCAA rules. For decades players/families have gone into programs because of impermissible benefits. It's therefore dirty.

    But at the very base of it how evil is it for multi-billion dollar companies or rich boosters to give money to families who may be dirt poor? Sure the NCAA has a responsibility to have uniform rules to ensure an equal playing field for all member institutions. But they've clearly indicated that's not even their goal with their selective prosecution over the years. It seems they rarely ever do anything right when they gather in a board room.

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  • J.Jennings
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    Originally posted by Will Lavender View Post

    I would too but I'm not sure this is what's going on with Kentucky, where we're missing out on these top five players because we're not paying them.

    And if it is going on, then what it suggests is that we were paying them before and simply stopped.

    But the thing is, evidence shows that it's not just the elite players who want money. A lot of players want money. It's a misconception that one-and-dones are the only guys out there hustling for perks. We know from LSU's and Louisville's situations that guys ranked a little lower were asking for a whole lot, and I imagine it's been that way for years.

    So if UK was paying before, we're still paying. We're still getting elite players in terms of their reputations out of HS. I tend to think we're missing out on top five players for different reasons than that.
    It is a dirty business. If players did receive benefits, i think it came through celebrities and friends, not UK itself....

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  • Lighthouse
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    Originally posted by Will Lavender View Post

    I would too but I'm not sure this is what's going on with Kentucky, where we're missing out on these top five players because we're not paying them.

    And if it is going on, then what it suggests is that we were paying them before and simply stopped.

    But the thing is, evidence shows that it's not just the elite players who want money. A lot of players want money. It's a misconception that one-and-dones are the only guys out there hustling for perks. We know from LSU's and Louisville's situations that guys ranked a little lower were asking for a whole lot, and I imagine it's been that way for years.

    So if UK was paying before, we're still paying. We're still getting elite players in terms of their reputations out of HS. I tend to think we're missing out on top five players for different reasons than that.
    First, I hope we're not paying but who knows. I heard last night that Zion and the kid from New Albany that went to IU, were a part of the investigation. I am concerned about this continued investigation and wonder if UK's name will ever come up. I'm sure the NCAA, ESPN and Duke would love for it to.

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  • Will Lavender
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    Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
    I would much rather have a clean program with our success, than have the so called "elite" players with the possibility of them or those around them being dirty, and win a tainted NC.
    I would too but I'm not sure this is what's going on with Kentucky, where we're missing out on these top five players because we're not paying them.

    And if it is going on, then what it suggests is that we were paying them before and simply stopped.

    But the thing is, evidence shows that it's not just the elite players who want money. A lot of players want money. It's a misconception that one-and-dones are the only guys out there hustling for perks. We know from LSU's and Louisville's situations that guys ranked a little lower were asking for a whole lot, and I imagine it's been that way for years.

    So if UK was paying before, we're still paying. We're still getting elite players in terms of their reputations out of HS. I tend to think we're missing out on top five players for different reasons than that.

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  • GOCAT15
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    Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
    I would much rather have a clean program with our success, than have the so called "elite" players with the possibility of them or those around them being dirty, and win a tainted NC.
    100% agree.

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  • J.Jennings
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    Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
    I would much rather have a clean program with our success, than have the so called "elite" players with the possibility of them or those around them being dirty, and win a tainted NC.
    Same here...

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  • Lighthouse
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    I would much rather have a clean program with our success, than have the so called "elite" players with the possibility of them or those around them being dirty, and win a tainted NC.

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